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!@#$%! 09.06.2017 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
 

😂😂😂😂😂

ilduclo 09.06.2017 08:46 AM

cynical cynical shit about the Dream Act. What a fucking shame. Disgusting.

Rob Instigator 09.06.2017 09:59 AM

notice that they will NOT deport white folks immigrating illegally from and through Canada.

Severian 09.06.2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
😂😂😂😂😂


Wait, emojis work here now?

😵

Severian 09.06.2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
notice that they will NOT deport white folks immigrating illegally from and through Canada.


Noticed.

tesla69 09.06.2017 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
cynical cynical shit about the Dream Act. What a fucking shame. Disgusting.


A hard political move to force the Congress to enact democratic law and not rule by presidential decree, absolutely cynical but Congress needs to address the law, or not address it.

If I could vote, I would vote for them to stay, but I also want the borders to be secure. Personally, I think anyone who carries a cell phone should be denied the vote. They've already shown they are feudal slaves to the corporate state.

!@#$%! 09.06.2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
A hard political move to force the Congress to enact democratic law and not rule by presidential decree, absolutely cynical but Congress needs to address the law, or not address it.

If I could vote, I would vote for them to stay, but I also want the borders to be secure. Personally, I think anyone who carries a cell phone should be denied the vote. They've already shown they are feudal slaves to the corporate state.

yes! deny the vote to all cell phone users!

i knew you were rational in spite of all appearances!

let 4 people decide the election

Severian 09.06.2017 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yes! deny the vote to all cell phone users!

i knew you were rational in spite of all appearances!

let 4 people decide the election


You know, if the five or six of us who frequent this thread just ignored tesla, it would be like he didn't even exist here.

Just sayin' ...

🤔

!@#$%! 09.06.2017 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
You know, if the five or six of us who frequent this thread just ignored tesla, it would be like he didn't even exist here.

Just sayin' ...

🤔


silence is consent

fuck him

evollove 09.07.2017 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
President Obama established DACA by executive order, which was ultra vires by virtue of violating Separation of Powers, as Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution clearly states: "The Congress shall have Power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization[.]"



DACA recipients aren't Naturalized.

Severian 09.07.2017 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
I'm not so sure about the cell phone thing, but tesla's right about the cut-and-dried legal aspects of what the press is treating as a highly emotional issue. President Obama established DACA by executive order, which was ultra vires by virtue of violating Separation of Powers, as Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution clearly states: "The Congress shall have Power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization[.]" President Trump's statement on the issue is in accord with the Constitution:

 
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!
8:38 PM - Sep 5, 2017



PEOPLE are treating it as a highly emotional issue. PEOPLE are protesting. PEOPLE are telling their stories. The press is reporting on what PEOPLE are doing.

Goddamn bloody well hate it when someone slams the press because they don't like what's HAPPENING, AND AS A RESULT, BEING COVERED.

Fuck's sake.

Severian 09.07.2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
DACA recipients aren't Naturalized.


Yeah, that's part of his point though. It's a "legal cut and dried" issue, not something that, like, effects millions of people and disrupts families and punishes people for nothing.... it's totally "legal" and not at all "emotional" (🙄) so it's all OK as long as Congress decides to naturalize these people. Which I'm oh-so sure is what they will do, since they can get so much done.

Anyway. Trump doesn't give a fist fuck about anyone. He sees his voter base slipping and he's trying to kill two birds with one stone: fulfill campaign promises to remove every single undocumented immigrant, while putting the burden of being the bad guy squarely on a Congress that is distancing itself from him more and more.

!@#$%! 09.07.2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
OK. so I concede my point in part, save for the fact that the press, by virtue of editorializing, is one of the several major public opinion-shaping vehicles in society, and the coverage has been heavily emotionally slanted in favor of the Dreamers while largely ignoring the shoddy legal basis of DACA.


lol, little jeff sessions

don't you have some lynching to conduct?

Severian 09.07.2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
OK. so I concede my point in part, save for the fact that the press, by virtue of editorializing, is one of the several major public opinion-shaping vehicles in society, and the coverage has been heavily emotionally slanted in favor of the Dreamers while largely ignoring the shoddy legal basis of DACA.


Ok, chief... you can't slam "the press" and then base it on how you feel about editorializing, which is not hard news reporting and has always been part of the media model. Editorializing is not newswriting, so instead of saying the press is slanted, say editorials are slanted (they're supposed to be... they are opinion pieces written, traditionaly, by editors. Think of them as columns if it helps). Being upset that editorializing exists is fine, but don't accuse "The Press" of slanting information.

There seems to be a pretty widespread lack of understanding about this, especially lately. Opinion pieces are not the news. If your perspective is that the ores as a whole is slanting facts instead of reporting them, you should back that up with some examples from non-editorial pages of AP-affiliated publications.

As it stands, you just sound like every other jackass who is blaming what's happening in the world on the people who tell you about it.

Severian 09.07.2017 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
It's clearly an executive end-run around the terms of the Immigration and Naturalization Act relating to lawful permanent residency. For the President to order his executive agencies not to enforce certain laws against certain people is as unconstitutional as the Bush Administration's infamous "signing statements".


Oh for fuck's sake.

You're either for or against the executive authority. You can't defend one example of "overreach" by calling it a response to another one. If you don't like executive orders that circumvent the legislative process, you should be against Trump's threats to take things into his own hands if congress doesn't act AND Obama's willingness to do the same, and every instance thereof.

You're not an idiot. Think about it.

!@#$%! 09.07.2017 12:05 PM

sounds like a jackass

looks like a jackass

smells like he drank deodorant

fuck him

Severian 09.07.2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
lol, little jeff sessions

don't you have some lynching to conduct?


"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !@#$%! again."

I spread and I spread but I still can't rep you. This is what friends look like. :D

The Soup Nazi 09.07.2017 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
lol, little jeff sessions


Makes you miss the time when the Attorney General was a singer-songwriter. LET THE EEEAAAAGLE SOOOAAAAAR...

ilduclo 09.07.2017 05:19 PM

this one?
 

The Soup Nazi 09.07.2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
this one?
 


Yeah dude! Fuck 'em both, but LET THE EEEAAAAGLE SOOOAAAAAR and shit!


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