I did say "mostly religious".

In some cultures maybe, in others definitely...as far as the U.S. is concerned, it has pretty much always been more or less viewed as a religious thing ("holy matrimony"). Of course, certain aspects of it have changed over time (as has Christianity itself, as of now still the top ranking religion across the U.S.), but from what I can tell this is still generally the case.

Willing to bet money most that choose to never get married are not religious, while most that do are. At least here. It all boils down to traditional bullshit despite one's take on it.

I say "Christianity" only because most morons that have an issue with gay marriage, again, at least here, tend to be Christian.


And only a moron views it as some sort of moral thing. Sure, one can throw out a weak/watered down argument as to why getting married is the moral thing to do...but, it's ALWAYS total garbage. I wouldn't need a ceremony (religious or non) in order to demonstrate to someone, or even worse their family, that I love them and want to be with them for whatever time remains of my life.

As a couple you choose the personal basis for your marriage. For many, it's religious, for others it's an expression of love and fidelity, etc. It doesn't have to be religious.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...dment-one.html

And incredibly, 60 percent of North Carolina voters had no idea that Ammendment One bans recognition of all unmarried couples, both same gender and male-female. This wasn't about gay marriage--it was about marriage, about dividing those who live in "holy matrimony" and those who "live in sin."

Yeh, I was going to post somethin' lke this but I'm was a bit busy at work.

I agree.

100% agreed. The main issue here is not about the nature of marriage or why people choose to marry. I am gay and I happen to be against marriage for other reasons that transcend how I manage my own sexuality. The issue here is about gays not receiving the same rights as straight couples and my constant concern is that gay rights activists mess around too much on this issue.

why not?

You hate yourself. You shouldn't. Gay is fine. It's good.

i don't object to marriage as a gesture or even a ceremony, i actually like the jewish wedding rites a lot. but i don't like making it official and involving the law. there are plenty of people in committed relationships who do not feel the need to get married. it is not naive at all of me to think that there are other ways. and reminds me again what the divorce rate in the US is these days?

and regarding your last post to genteel death, he can obviously speak for himself, but i am wondering if it was really necessary to use the word fag?

Originally Posted by ann ashtray
I wouldn't need a ceremony (religious or non) in order to demonstrate to someone, or even worse their family, that I love them and want to be with them for whatever time remains of my life.
To ashtray, you don't need a ceremony, and getting married is not about the ceremony. To some people, the ceremony is important as a symbolic act, but that's all it is, symbolic. The ceremony is not the marriage, and it's not proving to somebody that you love them and will be faithful etc. It's a way of commemorating your getting married, of celebrating getting married.


Nothing wrong with a little celebrating.

I don't think I am.

Yes, there are those morons that marry for financial reasons to. How many of these are later financially fucked w/ divorce? lol..

Anybody with any sense at all knows that the worst reason to be in a relationship, married or otherwise, is financial.

Precisely.

Likewise, anyone with any sense knows building up an arsenal of friends of the opposite sex to help w/ the financial shit can be smart. During my heavy, heavy drinking days being broke was never a good excuse to not be drunk. Someone (almost always usually females) would feel sorry enough to come over w/ some booze. Damn, I was a little shit.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to foreverasskiss again.