I wonder what Pierre Schafer, John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Bernard Parmegiani would make of that UTTERLY SHIT article on glitch music?

I made a mix for a couple of posters on here that had music by Raymond Scott that sounds like it was made yesterday. It was made nearly 55 years ago and some of those tracks sound like Kraftwerk or lo-fi techno.

Americans don't get futuristic-sounding music too well, stop deluding yourselves.

Derrick May, Detroit, Underground Resistance, Hip-hop, Africa Bombataa, Parliament... I think you mean white America dear.

Yep, I stand corrected.

*Afrika Bambaataa


glice made an error!

I make mistakes all the time here, but I only ever get picked up on the easy ones.

I mentioned Raymond Scott, a bona fide music innovator, and nobody even lashed out at me for the fact that he's American.

white.

What is coming next? Nothing.

Electronic music isn't a new thing, but it's probably the newest genre to be invented.

I've been making music for 10 years, and I've seen a few things I do get "big"... my first band, back in 1998, sampled video games and manipulated them with Fruity Loops, well before Crystal Castles and all those fuckers got big... then, there's things I've done, like progressive no wave jazzy stuff... that's already been done, whether I've heard it or not. Hell, when I was 12 years old, recording feedback and screaming, I had songs on mp3.com and had no idea that there was a whole huge genre of nothing but shit like that.

It's all been done.

Electronic music isn't a genre.

Put it in big letters, you'll feel better.


You're getting there.

Yeah, you're right, electronic music isn't a genre.

"Techno" is a relatively new genre to be have been invented however.

Cecil Leuter
DJ Shadow
Bruce Haack
Add N To X
GoldieLocks
Jake Mandell
Mantronix
Pietro Grossi
Cabaret Voltaire

what have all these people got in common?

wildly different electronic artists.

Penises, you sexist cunt.

I'm pretty sure Add N to X are cunts... with penises.

One of Add N To X is female. Ever noticed how electronic music in general is far less sexist than rock music? For all the talk of sexism in hip hop, for instance, female hip hop artists strike me as more enpowered. I'm generalising, of course, but I feel like pointing this out. Plenty of women in early-electronic music too and so forth.

This is a good point - women in rock are often decoration, or at least masculine in their femininity. I know people hate le Tigre, but I really admire how they don't perpetuate instruments or 'musicality'. Same with Chicks on Speed, who make no apologies for liking fashion (and why not?).

A lot of electronic music is still a sausage-fest, mind you. Autechre patch-fetishes are nearly worse than a million-paged thread about effect pedals.

Female toasters as well - Lady Saw is fucking scary.

Well, in that case, have you noticed how the majority of Authecre's fans seem to be white males into rock music?

A gross misconception about music produced electronically is that it is often only repetitive and it hasn't got soul. Generally, as usual, these are accusations thrown by the short-sighted bigot, way too often male and white.

Music goes in circles. Nuf said.

When people say that (hello Alan McGee etc), I feel like cutting off their tongues.

you know, when you don't explain yourself or provide a platform for your argument, statements you make retain no validity and make you sound like a bandwagon jumper.

(not directed at porkyu)

music goes in squares.

so much music around, and so little time.

and hey cantank, I have no beef with electronic music as a musical idom, I just HATE boring monotonous house music, fucking electronic background music. it makes me ill. I want my music to grab me by the balls and shake me until I give in.

\maybe not, but we can out rock any other nation at the drop of a fucking HAT

Almost every band listed in that glitch article is amazing, by the way.

With a lot of electronic music I just happened to notice that women tend to come to the fore a lot more, and also they tend to be more.....women. That means that, say, Kelis can make a form of slightly edgier pop while still being able to look after the way she dresses and maybe occasionally have a hit, while still being listened to by certain guitar music dudes that don't feel challenged by that sort of mild female otherness in their musical experience.

I'm not saying anything new or revelatory here, but in a full-on rock music enviroment a woman would have more trouble expressing herself and being taken seriously unless, in a way, she doesn't get an attitude of some sort, and one that falls within the parameters of what's considered real and entertaining in rock music. Or else she becomes, like you pointed out already, an ornamental and mainly silent creature, put there to be impressed, shown off or possesed by her male lurers, often with a tamburine in her hand or an intense song to sing.

Again, I am generalising, not all rock chicks experience that.

Is that why you like They Might Be Shite?

Even the ones that have got fuck all to do with glitch.

just their first three records, when it was them two Johns and drugs and a beat box.

Yep.

I query your use of the word 'might' - remember, that suggests an element of doubt.

heeeeeeeeee's a hypnotist

a hypnotist of ladies....

Queer.

Nah, Rob, it's more likely that he's just a twat.

really? they're as bad as anyone else in my experience. go and read this if you want a quick glimpse of the dance music equivalent of certain posters on this board. except that bgoard is far more vexing than this one.

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=6343

I want to see a band do really creative, theatrical albums based on the bible. Every album would be based on a book on the bible. Somebody get the Residents on this.

Here's some stuff I'm working on or have ideas for my music in the future:

- An album with 1000 guitar tracks on every song.

- An album of organ melodies that are recorded to computer # 1... then another computer # 2 records the sound of the organ melodies coming out of speakers of computer # 1... then, computer # 2 records the recording... and back and forth... It's like that "I'm sitting in a room and this is the sound of my voice" experiment, wherein new echoes and frequencies will develop from recording the sounds from different sources (or perhaps in different rooms) continuously.

- Me and my bandmate Booe recorded an acoustic guitar/trombone 10 minute song last summer while fucked up on codeine. Going through his old computer, we recently found it, and we listened, and man... we have gotten so much better at our instruments since then... still, it's a really creepy, hissy recording.. very quiet and minimal and lonely... it's good shit. So, we recorded another 10 minute song. The plan is to record a new 10 minute song once every summer, for 8 years, then release it (overburning alert) as an 80:00 minute cd... it'll be interesting... because every track is just trombone and guitar.. you can see our techniques developing and see how we approach this improv/minimalism over the course of 8 years...

- Speaking on that theme, an idea I have that I haven't explored yet is to make electronic songs.. no effects used whatsoever, and only 5 different samples (a couple drum sounds, a bass synth, and a regular synth). The idea is to do a different drug and then give myself an hour to record a song with only those 5 samples/sounds... to, again, see how wildly different the results could be, which could partially be influenced by the drug I'm taking. This idea is more aesthetically pleasing than something I think will actually be of quality, but it'll allow me to think about things differently.

- Another album I want to do of organ melodies, encoded in the lowest bitrate possible, copied to tape, then re-ripped to computer, back and forth, back and forth, until it's the 10th time I've recorded over the same melodies on the same tape.. you can hear the tape breaking up and the ghost sounds of the old organ recordings, since the syncing will be off... then finally when the sound is about to break, I'll put it back on the computer.. it'll all be one big track, and I'll keep pasting the sound of the tape to the track, until the last minutes of the track will be from the 10th time I've recorded onto the same. So, you'll hear the sound disintegrating -- yes, like William Basinski's "disintegration loops".