jesus...... im not downloading this album because it goes against all moral fibers of my body..i will wait until it gets released properly and then i will be victorious!!

please...every album, sy album that comes out we have this....... we live in an internet age.... ive heard the album..sy streamed the album on the site for god sake... are they saying.now now people dont you go and record this or we will be forced to .....cry..... no they dont, they have a brain..well 5.....it is 2009 and there is PLENTY of differing leaks of the album around the internetwebland and everyday one gets caught and deleted by the web sherriff or whomever...... i downloaded it and ive got an advance copy cd...its in my car at the moment,..... there is 256 rips about ...ive listened to it now 7 times and i have fallen in love with the album....does that make me a internet criminal???

now i have an advance, am i not going to go out and buy it...OF COURSE THE FUCK I AM! i can see both points of view but if artists didnt ewant their stuff leaked then we wouldnt have any advance copies, no reviews, no airplay, no publicity, no nothing until the album came out........

its time to set the record straight and people to stop moralizing about their music collection. home taping is killing music...ok yeah, they said that on lp covers in the late 70s....erm, hello, we have plenty of music now! its a great way to spread the word as well.......

actually theres a thought. how about a band release a record with no internet publicity ever...say lightning bolts new album is padlocked under brian gibsons bed until the day of release then he cycles around the states and the world throwing the cds at people shouting "new lightning bolt album is out fuckers" the internet would die instantly and the world would be maybe not a better place but a less leaky place...we wouldnt be squelching around the parameters of legallity and nonsense anymore... mr giobson may come with a benny hill theme tune as well...for comedic value....

anyone got a link for the eternal by the way?

so, what yr trying to say is "record labels are closing left and right because they refuse to release high bit-rate copies of albums BEFORE they are sold to the general public".

cool story, bro.


[edit: my lack of reply speed made me have to quote you. in yr original post, you said "closing left and right" and not "hurting". things are looking up! feel free to replace all references to "closing left and right" in MY post with "hurting". :)]

Because it is not slightly less than audiophile quality. 128k is garbage and gives people a poor first impression. Not good for sonic, not good for matador, and certainly not good for those that shelled out $20 two month in advance.

We have been treated like stupid Jonas Brothers fans and I expect more from a label of the caliber that I thought matador was on.

actually..yknow you do have a very valid point about the 128 bitrate thing..its a bit..erm, cheap?

No, that is not what I am saying. record labels are hurting because they are not adapting to the digital world around them. 128k in 2009 is a joke for any format release.

sonic youth rule all

one might suppose that the bulk of those PRE-ORDERING will not be getting any sort of "first impression" of sonic youth.

who pre-orders shit from bands they've never heard??


I agree with this (somewhat); however, 10 years ago you would have first heard the new sonic youth album in yr car, on the way home from buying it.....(wait for it)....the day it was released. not two months prior, and certainly not without driving to the store.

I'd say Matador is doing a fairly good job at "adapting". the money that you paid was for the CD. everything else is gravy.


if by cheap, you mean, a free advance release, then yeah.

Ok final word on this (I hope).

there is not a "release" of a 128K stream. The release is the LP or CD that you pre-ordered. The stream is an added bonus so you can check out the album early IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. If 128K is a joke in your town then please wait until your LP or CD arrives to get up get, get get down.

no i dont mean it that way..they could have put out a higher quality bitrate or something..thats all., look im no expert and dont pretend to be

..as for cheap in getting an advance..i got the advance, i didnt actually ask for one! so what was i to do...destroy it on the grounds of principal? there is no cover art or no nothing really, just a disc and a little sticker.... so im still buying the real deal.......

just for the record ive bought every sy album on day of release since dirty (i was a bit young to fully appreciate goo at the time) and will contine to do so bitrate or no bitrate!

if it wasn't for that nagging bit about the album not actually being out yet, I'd be 100% with you guys.

thing is, I completely fail to see how it would behoove any company to give away the highest quality version of their product months before it's to be released, other than quelling anal angst.

let's redicuss this the day after release. if yr cd is 128bit quality, you'll have me on board.

It is a stream release at this point and the first impression to the world. That is why it is all over the internet right now. *POOF* RELEASED! And all at a stunning 128k. Amazing!

*shakes head*

What was the point of letting matador hold my $20 for two months? I could have saved a trip to my record store and just purchased the album from the store the day of release.

BULLOCKS!!!!

we've been had and you are a part of that.

What makes you think 192 is "the highest quality version". It wouldn't even be close.

Then what was the point of letting matador hold my $20 for two months? I could have saved a trip to my record store and just purchased the album from the store the day of release.

BULLOCKS!!!!

We've been fucking had. :fuckyou:

arguements valid on both sides....

lets be grateful that after all the years as aband, the youth have actually made an album of amazing merit for us to get all arguementative about.....

seriously, im increasingly impressed with the eternal..roll on june so i can get my hands on the actual proper unit....

the freakin' bonus LP numbnuts!

I bought it for the stream (which I cannot use without blood coming out of my ears).

Now I have to go download this shit even though I have already paid for it. Lovely.

That I am grateful for my friend. I did listen to the stream 1 time and it seems like some of their most inspired work since washing machine in my eyes. They are an incredible band. I never want them to die.

^^ i think they already died of a heart attack just reading yr posts.

If anything killed em' it was the 128k stream.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to greedrex again.

Again. I'm not really complaining about the stream; I understand that Matador have their reasons for making it 128kbps and I'm sure they know their business better than I do. On the other hand, arguments like this shouldn't go by without comment.
There is a whole world of difference between 128 and 320 - yes, its all digitally compressed and subject to the limitations of MP3 encoding, but if you think there's no difference in those bitrates, you really aren't listening carefully.
At 128 their is no colour in the sound whatsoever - anything outside of the midrange will be heavily clipped and most of the dynamics in the sound are gone.
A well-encoded 320kbps MP3 will be very close to CD quality on all but the very highest end audio reproduction equipment.
If you're cool with the stream being 128 kbps, great but let's keep the facts straight.

Know the difference between PREVIEW and RELEASE?
This is perefctly listenable as a preview.
i stand by the fact that the whole "my bitrate is bigger than yours" is silly as fuck. And the people on here complaining are douchebags.
YOU for one don't want to teach me ANYTHING about LISTENING.
Because you just don't.
Right?

I do know the difference, which is why I said I'm not complaining about the preview.
Am I supposed to be intimidated because you're typing in capitals?
I have no wish to teach you anything, but there's a discussion going on about sound quality with some totally incorrect statements being thrown out.

not really. this is more a discussion about rampant self-entitlement.

I sure that just about everyone gets that 320 > 128.

what's not being understood is this:


and....don't mind geedex's caps. he's not shouting so much as pounding the keys really hard.

no i type the key words in capitals.
there is no discussion going on here at all. It's just some douchebag shitting on something that's already awesome that makes me go all red.:mad:
Objectively, and considering that 99% of the people streaming do so on a computer through a shitty to decent plus sound system. 128 or 320 doesn't mean SHIT (keyword).
+ so many people are streaming at the same time. a 320bitrate would cause the whole streaming system to collapse most of the time.

You people complaining (and it doesn't necessarily means you, i see yr point) are spoiled to death. The bitrate makes no difference to the actual sampling of the songs. Being careful to details and high/low end whatever will happen on CD/wax on a decent system.

Know the difference between what is listenable and not.

Funny how 128k/bit was NOT good enough when they released the single of "Sacred Trickster" but it was good enough for PAYING CUSTOMERS. :fuckyou:

My comments were made largely because I felt like being an internet dick. In reality, I understand your disappointment with the bit rate but otherwise think you're taking it too far. Matador hasn't cheated us, they've given us a lot for only slightly more money and I'm quite happy with everything they've offered. Also, as others have said, this is a preview, not an actual release (although the stream has been ripped and 'released' onto the internet.) Personally, I'm enjoying it as it is now and I'm sure I'll appreciate the songs with new fervor when I hear them at CD quality on June 9th, putting a fresh spin on the album for me.

THAT SAID, please allow me to continue in line with my original intent:

I've actually already converted the Eternal to midi files, AND IT SOUNDS WAY BETTER. The rhythm really kicks and the melodies are pure.

And you did so say you had golden ears:


Just call them 'listening holes' like the rest of us 'blue collar slobs'... ...and maybe we'll let you sit in on our card games.

And even though you didn't ask for my input (YER HIGHNESS), I will dish it out liberally. I'm also not a fan of your username. And Yahoo Messenger (your messenger of choice) is an inferior messenger program.

And why are your cartridges yellow? Oh, right. Chinese.

I think the whole Buy Early package is good value. SY always give good value for their original music...

Not like The Eagles

Well... I had to download the 192k version on the internet even though I purchased an advanced stream.

SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER. Night and day.

Thanks for nothing matador.

Cool, you should post a link! You'll get banned but wouldn't it be worth it.. to go down in a blaze of glory and negative-reptivity?

Anyone under 40 should be able to find it pretty easily with a simple google search.

keywords like "sonic youth + the eternal + 192" should work nicely.


BEGN can suck a cock.

No man, we all know how to find it, I just think it'd be a perfect ending to this thread. If you posted a link yourself. Heh... heh... heeeeeeeeh.

no problem.

here is a link to the eternal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8rTZhtgAI


probably better quality than those schmucks at Matador care to offer their PAYING CUSTOMERS.

Don't listen my ass.

really guys..this is fucking stupid....

hevusa has just been elected "douchebag of the year"!
Congratulations hevusa!!

Well, that quoting thing it is not very fair-play...

THAT SAID,
bye

Sorry SYRFox.... that is actually old news. Old on the level that 128k/bit is to 2009.

I think I'm getting it now
You're actually joking since the beginning of it all
Am I right?

Why would you take the eternal sounding like low bit rate garbage as a joke?? I certainly don't.

I finally had to download a 192 version to stop the bleeding from my ears. Now I hear guitar details that I couldn't before and it is actually an enjoyable listening experience. Still not CD quality by any means but at least the mids aren't destroyed along with the rest of the frequencies.

I'm still shocked that people making executive decisions could consider 128k/bit acceptable for a stream preview sent out to their most die hard fans, especially in the year 2009 when I can already find 192 and above online.

Good job understanding the new digital market Matador! Keep up the cutting edge work!

Hilarious.