New Sonic Youth single on Sub Pop
 

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New Sonic Youth single on Sub Pop
July 23, 2006

According to Brainwashed upcoming releases section, Sub Pop records will release a new Sonic youth single on October 3rd. The single that is titled "Creamsicle" will be available on a 7" format.

Moshe

Thanks for the heads up, Moshe.

You always get the inside scoop!

I like creamsicles. They are tasty.

sweet! Im just getting into SY vinyl collecting so i cant wait!

i wonder if they're thinking about going on sub pop?

I was wondering the same thing. I figured that after they were done with Geffen they would just release their music on their own label, like Ecstatic Peace or SYR.

cool, I can rep Moshe* again.

they'd never release full albums by themselves, that's just way too much work for them. it's not like they're 18. they are way too old and don't have enough energy to run their own label for a band that sells a couple hundred thousand albums(that's ALOT of albums).

my guess is that if they don't get a major label contract, they either:

1. go on Sub Pop or Matador(my guess would be matador)
2. retire as a full time band


i'm thinking if they don't get a major label, they probably might retire.

well i really hope they dont decide to retire. sub pop would be a good choice for them, and who knows, this 7" could very well be a transition to the label.

I think if they wanted to they could just sell all their stuff on Goofin records on the website

thanks moshe

kickass. thanks, moshe. you rock.

I think a label like SubPop might be very interested in signing Sonic Youth. I'm looking forward to that single (and wondering if I'll be able to find a copy).

Moshe is full of good news this week.

Oh schweet.

nope, they couldn't. goofin? what's that? are you referring to the "4 tuna brix" project? 10,000 is manageable. 200,000-300,000 isn't.

fans forget that SY are pretty old and it's not easy running a label. younger fans think running a label is as easy as burning CD-Rs on your computer and a sharpie for the songs on a xerox copy paper cover, they're a bit naive and selfish and forget that Thurston & Kim have a family of their own, same with Steve and that everyone(except steve) is in their 50s(kim probably late 50s).

also, sy are not business people.

i know it's sad, but all great things do come to an end. i hope they pull out a couple more albums before they call it a day.

[quote=khchris(original)
i know it's sad, but all great things do come to an end. i hope they pull out a couple more albums before they call it a day.[/quote]

Man, people have been talking like this since NYC Ghosts and Flowers came out. I really don't think we have much to worry about. Why does everyone assume they're not gonna stay on Geffen/Universal? Their contract is ending but Thurston just made a deal for them to distribute Ecstatic Peace. I don't think they're really yearning to switch labels, or move to an indie, or anything. The way they've always talked about it is that the major label doesn't interfere, doesn't even ask them when they're gonna have new record out, but that they record something, send it over, and the label pencils it in for release. That sounds like a great fucking set up to me. If anything I could see them moving to ecstatic peace, but still, I don't see what would be to gain from it, or really what the difference would be. Except for some contrived pull for Indie Credibility, which is something the Youth practically invented, and obviously don't care about as a status symbol.

Thurston does a good job of distributing BYOP's album on Ectsatic Peace.

But who knows

Kim said in an interview or something that RR would be thier last album for Geffen and that they would not be renewing a contract with them, or somthieng like that.

the thing about majpr labels is they under the RIAA, who also supports/supported by the PMRC, and (see GY!BE's Yanqui U.X.O.) albeit, indirectly, support the manufacturing of artillery for war, etc. (so the little "Smash the PMRC" picture from Goo is slightly hypocritical.)

i'm not sure whether or not it's true that thurston is having EP distribuited by Geffen/Universal. if you have a link that explains it all, that would be great. maybe EP is being distributed by the same company that distributes Geffen/Universal? or maybe EP is being distributed by a sister company or a company that's owned by Geffen/Universal?

i'm not sure if sy are really happy with how geffen has been treating them either. earlier on in their corporate rock careers, sy were very supportive, but i haven't heard anything since. if anything, i think geffen's done a poor job promoting them since washing machine. 1KL was not promoted very well, nyg&f came out of nowhere, murray st was not promoted that well, sonic nurse was promoted a little better and rather ripped seems to be promoted ok. looking at the last 10 years, sy really have gotten by because of their core audience and incredible reputation and themselves making things happen. they've been playing way more free concerts, festivals, opening up for bigger bands, they've been pushing themselves. honestly, i don't think geffen's really promoted sy anywhere close like they did with goo/dirty/experimental/washing machine.

i don't think it's possible for SY to put out their own albums, that's just way too big of a scale to manage. Sub Pop & Matador don't even sell very many bands at that kind of scale, i highly doubt that thurston would be able to do what sub-pop & matator can do, that's just unimagineable.

younger people forget that running a label takes alot of work. comparing albums you may press 3-5K to an album you're pressing 200-300K is like a little league t-ball coach trying to coach a championship contending MLB team. i know its hard for you younger people to see this, but things are easier said than done.

although even J&MC made the move to Sub Pop & Matador do have some really popular bands on their roster, i don't know if SY would want to make the move to a minor label(i won't say major because both have corporate distribution). they won't make the same money, they both won't be able to tour as comfortably as they have on a major, and let's face it, they're pretty up there in age.

i haven't talked about SY & the possibility of retirement until i found out geffen didn't resign them(yet) and that this was their last album, but i started thinking about them as people, people with lives of their own, people not put on earth to fill our selfish music needs, people with children & families, people who are not too far away from collecting social security.

how much energy does sy have left in them to struggle with finding a new label and putting out more records? i don't know. alot of professional sports athletes retire when they're old(SY are comparable to a 40+yr old basket ball player...something that never happens) because they just want to be with their family and they have enough money to live on.

who cares.

everything that has been manufactured(chairs, desk, food, packaging, paper, everything) has some kind of corporate ties to something that goes against you ethically. don't be a hypocrite. it's not like you've bought everything environmentally friendly that has not hurt any soul in the process, so take your ethical bullshit somewhere else. GY!BE=yawn anyway...they just aren't talented or creative enough to be rachels.

pfffff........ subpop are so, like, late 80's!

SY isn't that old. Kim is in her mid 50s and Lee just turned 50. Thurston is 47 and Steve is just 43.

Anyways, about the label thing. Since Thurston did that thing with Universal, he could distribute the records through that.

I imagine Interscope will drop them after this album. SY is barely selling and isn't marketable. Sub Pop or Matador would be good for SY. Folks here are acting like the Youth have sniffed a gold record since Jet Set Trash. I seem to recall seeing on here that Sonic Nurse only sold like 70k copies total.

I think Thurston should spit in khchris' eye for saying such nonsense like, "they're too old to put out their own records" or "I think they'll retire"
Has anyone heard the new album or seen them live this summer?
Does anyone else think they're going to retire?...no fucking way
You don't have much faith in Sonic Youth, do you "original"?

I haven't heard much about the Geffen contract running out but I assume Geffen will renew it. SY may not sell millions of records but with consistent album sells and a devoted fan following for many years, I'm sure Geffen will have a hard time letting them go.

but...

even if they do, there is no doubt whatsoever they will be on Ecstatic Peace and Universal will distribute it.

It's not out of the question for them to be on their own SYR label either, though I don't think it will happen. I've seen the SYR titles many times in major record stores. The distribution with SYR is better than I would have ever imagined. Besides it's not like the band would be sitting around hand designing every cover that went out.
The idea of them being on Sub Pop, in my opinion, won't happen. I mean what could Seattle based Sub Pop have to offer that Ecstatic/Universal could not.
Being on Matador is even more absurd. SY along with Dinosaur, Sebadoh, etc have already done business with Gerard Cosloy who was the founder of Homestead and co-founder of Matador. If you know the history these bands had with Homestead, you would see why they would never cross paths again.


Look at Stereolab. They were sadly dropped from a major but now release albums under their Too Pure label.
They can do it, why couldn't SY?

Kim's too old to play bass.

So, why is that a rediculous statement?

Exactly. This is the first time I think I've agreed with KhChris on the new board.

It's "ridiculous" in the same way someone would say, Charlie Mingus was too old to play bass....or Mayo Thompson is too old to sing.
I could list 10324 other examples but what relevance does it have to....well, anything

Ecstatic Peace is now distributed by Fontana Distribution, an offshoot of Vivendi/Universal (UMGD to the industry types). Fontana is to UMGD what Caroline and ADA are to EMI and WEA, respectivly. It is the world's largest music manufacturing & distribution company's attampt at reaching the indie/punk and urban/hip hop demographics (me,you). Fontana has sucked up quite a few labels from the now defunkt Mordam Records (which has been swallowed up by Lumberjack Dist.) as well as some key labels from Caroline, ADA and RED (Sony's "indie" dist. wing) in this market-share blitzkrieg. By having EP distributed by Fontana instead of Revolver (EP's former dist, Smells Like's current dist), Thurston is basically guaranteeing a steady paycheck and probably has an office and more money for either reissuing older out of print EP titles and promoting new bands like BYOP & the AC. I would also disagree with the post about SY not being good business people, because this move has excellent leverage to stay within the compound of the UMGD family, if you will, but still have the freedom they're used to, and perhaps more. A very shrewd move to make when your contract's up indeed. Not to say they're being sellouts or any kind of indie bandwagonesque banter, all i'm saying is that it was a smart move regarless of SY's future.

Shut up, Jesus.

Early 50's is old!

Trust me, I'm almost there and this 8th degree I'm working on is taking a toll on my back!

I think Sonic Youth will most likely move somewhere warm.

But Kim is too old to play bass.

That's why Mike Ibold is on the new tour.

does anyone have any like or proff that his label is being distributed by universal?

that seems to be what i'm hearing but i haven't seen or heard anything about it. (not saying it's false, but some proof would be nice)

be your own pet's cd says Ecstatic Peace!/Universal is the distributor and label they're on. it's also covered in warnings saying if you pirate it, you will die so you can tell the big label has effed it.

BYOP's cd.

Edit: Jade beat me.

Sounds good. I hear rumors that SY will be leaving Geffen. If they do I think Sub Pop would be perfect for them. I just hope they are able to sell enough records to keep them going. I'd hate to see Sonic Youth expire before their time. If Iggy Pop, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and all these old musicians are still capable of performing and coping with life on the road, SY will be around for years to come. They may be aged, but they still ahve the energy of people more than half their age. They're still young at heart.

thats another thing, thanks fro reminding me.. "pirating".
to quote khchris.. "WHO CARES" it isn't harming anyone, and the label is already rolling in enough moneyto feed the entire continent of North America for a year. so why the fuck should average joe not download yr stinkin album or burn copies withoutpaying royalties or fines? fuck you, riaa. (ps, kh, you know exactly what i mean, im sure alot of people agree with me in that, they would prefer to not support the riaa/pmrc/whatever else. its the same as say, being vegetarian/vegan or buying organic foods or not supporting sweatshop labour, or anything else like that)

I don't think Johnny Cash can take life on the road anymore...

you kiddin? johnny cash is still kickin it hard in the afterlife. hes on tour right now "Beyond the Grave Tour '06" i believe he played in Tulsa earlier tonight.

1. don't be a coward and get a new handle just because you're afraid to voice your opinion. just use your original name.

2. FONTANA DISTRIBUTION, not Universal, is distributing Ecstatic Peace.

3. they didn't press that many syrs out. if you saw it in a major record store in los angeles, that doesn't mean you can find it in jackson, mississippi. also, how would they tour? do you think SY have enough money to pay for techs, huge trucks, airfare to tour through Ecstatic Peace??? think again.

4. Sub Pop sell alot of pretty popular acts, same with Matador. i might be willing to bet that even INTERPOL can draw in just as many people than SY right now because they're so popular.

5. Dino released their first and SY released BMR...babe, this was 85 & 86. both are older and wiser. matador is a much complete record label these days. comparing gerard's business from 1986 to 2006 it absolutely retarded. (nice namedrop btw) if they can manage INTERPOL, i'm quite sure they can do fine with SY. JSBE is still on matador and from my understanding, sy don't have any kind of falling out with gerard. i think matador speaks for itself. they have some very fine bands and have run the label pretty well, being able to distribute their acts and promote them pretty well(just look at JSBE).

6. if geffen was happy and content w/ sy, they would've renewed their deal with SY before or during SONIC NURSE in order to keep from getting in a bidding war with SY. by allowing sy to finish out their contract, it says one of two things: 1. they don't want to renew because sy probably aren't making alot of money for them and/or 2. they're not sure sy can sell. regardless, geffen letting sy finish out their contract without a proposal for a renewed contract shows geffen's faith(or lack thereof) in sy to make money for them.

7. stereolab is still a tiny band in comparison to SY. everyone knows sy, about a third of the people who know or heard of sy know of stereolab.