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atsonicpark you have some good points...
i think for the most part i obviously and admittedly steered away from black metal because of the IMAGARY, and that was a mistake because for some of what i've heard the music is tight and interesting in doses like nearly all music, i'm still not too fond of the vocal inflections in this sorta stuff, its an acquired taste, but i was listening the Beherit and there is some interesting vocalizations and mixing and overdubbing of the vocals that sound pretty wild and cool.
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