[Toilet & Bowels]

My sister in law gave me 120 Days of Sodom for Christmas so I'm reading that. So far, it's not what I was expecting.

[tw2113]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

My sister in law gave me 120 Days of Sodom for christen Christmas so I'm reading that. So far, it's not what I was expecting.

More tame than expected? Somehow way worse? Just meh?

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by tw2113

More tame than expected? Somehow way worse? Just meh?

Different vibe. I was expecting a grim horror show, something like reading Peter Sotos (who I have read about two or three sentences of and then stopped) but it's more fun and silly than I was expecting. But also I've only read about 20 pages.

[Severian]

The World According to Garp

[Clone Redux]

Been stuck on Jack Vance and Michael Moorcock paperbacks for a good while now.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Clone Redux

Been stuck on Jack Vance and Michael Moorcock paperbacks for a good while now.

I read a trilogy of Moorcock’s once. Warlord of the Air, I think? It was fine but every plot was essentially the same: Guy goes back in time, encounters some steampunk variation of a famous dictator.

[Severian]

A Widow for One Year by John Irving. Just started it after finishing Garp.

Any Irving fans in these parts?

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by Severian

Any Irving fans in these parts?

I only know Irving Berlin. Sorry.

[Clone Redux]

Originally Posted by Severian

I read a trilogy of Moorcock’s once. Warlord of the Air, I think? It was fine but every plot was essentially the same: Guy goes back in time, encounters some steampunk variation of a famous dictator.

Yeah, not my favorite stuff of his either. I’m more an Eternal Champion kinda guy. Especially Elric and Corum.

[Severian]

I finished “A Widow for One Year” and now I’m reading something called “The Nix” by an author named Nathan Hill. Was entirely unfamiliar with him until I picked the book up the other day.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Different vibe. I was expecting a grim horror show, something like reading Peter Sotos (who I have read about two or three sentences of and then stopped) but it's more fun and silly than I was expecting. But also I've only read about 20 pages.

So 120 Days of Sodom starts out with a moustache twirling villain vibe and then gradually descends in to a repitive and far fetched slog of paedophilia, coprophilia and masturbation and then ends in what is pretty much a monotonous list of torture and murder fantasies. It's a weird book and in a way I'm glad I've read it, but I would recommend it to no one except the person that gave it to me who should be made to read it as penance. Also while while reading this I kept thinking the Marquis de Sade must have been a pathetic and pitiable character.
I'm baffled why anyone considers this book a classic and even more baffled why some people think it is some kind of philosophical achievement.

[Rob Instigator]

finished Time of the Magicians, by Wolfram Eilenberger.

RXTT's Book Journey continues with an exploration into the lives of four preeminent philosophers, Martin Heidegger, Ernst Cassirer, Walter Benjamin, and Ludwig Wittgenstein.

https://rxttbooks.blogspot.com/2025/...res-lives.html

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

So 120 Days of Sodom starts out with a moustache twirling villain vibe and then gradually descends in to a repitive and far fetched slog of paedophilia, coprophilia and masturbation and then ends in what is pretty much a monotonous list of torture and murder fantasies. It's a weird book and in a way I'm glad I've read it, but I would recommend it to no one except the person that gave it to me who should be made to read it as penance. Also while while reading this I kept thinking the Marquis de Sade must have been a pathetic and pitiable character.
I'm baffled why anyone considers this book a classic and even more baffled why some people think it is some kind of philosophical achievement.

From my research, De Sade wrote it while incarcerated. He intended it as a satire of the actions and debauchery of the ruling aristocrats of his time. Then, just as now, the ruling classes pretend to be righteous, religious, moral folks, all the while they rape their children, force their Slavic mail-order wives to fornicate with large dogs, and play golf every other day. Wait, that's just Trump.

I may be in error.

[Severian]

Finished The Nix. Damn good.

Maybe Blood Meridian is next. Never read McCarthy.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

So 120 Days of Sodom starts out with a moustache twirling villain vibe and then gradually descends in to a repitive and far fetched slog of paedophilia, coprophilia and masturbation and then ends in what is pretty much a monotonous list of torture and murder fantasies. It's a weird book and in a way I'm glad I've read it, but I would recommend it to no one except the person that gave it to me who should be made to read it as penance. Also while while reading this I kept thinking the Marquis de Sade must have been a pathetic and pitiable character.
I'm baffled why anyone considers this book a classic and even more baffled why some people think it is some kind of philosophical achievement.

to me the books are unreadable, i tried them a long time ago, bored me to tears

but the reason they are considered philosophical is because they are a kind of answer to rousseau, who argued basically that "man is born good and society corrupts him"

he's the french representative of the hobbesian state of nature, if you will, and people find parallels between him and the nietzschean will to power or the freudian id-- camille paglia name checks them all as her intellectual ancestors. tldr, nature is savage

de sade was a bit of a real life monster and was often imprisoned for actual cause. as i recall he's also admired for writing all kinds of atrocities with perfect grammar, hahahah... there's a comment about him by barthes i'd look up if i had my books around me, but see if it is on "the pleasure of the text"

the parody rob speaks of only comes with antonioni who uses the 120 of sodom it as the literal incarnation of fascism and as allegorical representation of the republic of salò. but since pasolini was a real artist he just steals de sade for his own purposes (see harold bloom's "the anxiety of influence"). de sade also is a parody of rousseau in a way

congrats on your superhuman endurance anyway. a quality i only display for worthy causes and only if absolutely necessary due to being "efficient" (lazy). not sure if either was for you in this case, but now you can be one of the few and the proud who can quote actual sources

*i purposefully wrote literal incarnation and allegory in pasolini which appears contradictory but not really, in this sense: the story in the movie is an allegory for thenlast days of the mussolini regime. but the acts depicted in them pasolini took literally, which is to day: capitalism is feeding us shit. and he was a good italian and meant this literally, as in the quality of the food, not a metaphor for something else

ah this is fun to talk about

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

Finished The Nix. Damn good.

Maybe Blood Meridian is next. Never read McCarthy.

mccarthy is hard and rejects me every time

i keep hearing: the best novel! from people i respect (harold bloom again!)

but the last time i tried it was in paper and the search for meanings and references kept throwing me off

i made several attempts, all ill-timed

speaking of mccarthy: i tried watching "the road" but meh. then again a movie is not a book. but mccarthy is hard to read for me

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lately, heretically, i hav been wondering if the individual author might not have been superseded by writing teams. this seems strange for me to say but since litersture migrated to television i find television more interesting than books. the true polyphonic novel i think requires a writer's orchestra

for real though. when one writer writes for one character and another writer writes for another character... this is a historic development in literature, #sorrynotsorry