Am I Shouting?

Moshe · 05.09.2009, 12:27 AM

Soundcheck Blog

AM I SHOUTING?

By John Schaefer

May 8, 2009

I’LL BE WITH YOU IN JUST A SECOND! I JUST WANNA HEAR THE END OF THIS SONG! ‘CAUSE I REALLY LIKE IT, YOU KNOW?! OK - WAIT. THERE, I’LL TAKE THE EARBUDS OUT NOW! OKAY, SO… oh. Okay, so I guess maybe I was shouting a little. It’s just that I like to listen to music loud. Always have. There’s something about letting the sound hit you, and wash over you, that turns the act of listening to music into something you feel, physically.
Just last month, I was doing one of our annual New Sounds Live events at Merkin Hall, with Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ranaldo and the Bang On A Can All-Stars. Lee’s piece, for electric guitar and amplified ensemble, was LOUD. Having interviewed Lee on stage and introduced the piece, I made my way back to the recording studio, which is beneath the back of the hall. In the hallway leading back to the studio, every piece of metal ductwork in the ceiling was vibrating wildly, and perhaps dangerously, because of the squall being created by Lee’s guitar onstage. I thought about ducking into the studio, but this was too cool - I stood there for a few minutes, listening to the guitar music rushing down the hallway from the stage and also hearing this weird, buzzing, refracted version of the sound in the building itself. It was a great, immersive way to experience a piece of music.
I know that I have to be careful with loud music, but in those occasional moments when music reaches for something special, I just can’t help myself. Sitting close enough to the stage to feel the breeze coming from the NY Philharmonic when they got to the ecstatic finale of Schoenberg’s Gurrelieder was an experience I will remember long after I’ve lost whatever hearing I’m going to lose. And that’s the problem with all the warnings we give people about turning down their iPods and stuff - you’re asking people to act logically when something is moving them on a deeper level. Whether it’s Schoenberg or The Who, sometimes the right thing for the music is to just turn it up.
I know, I know - if I want to have more experiences like the Schoenberg or the Ranaldo, I have to protect my hearing. Otherwise, all I’ll have are memories of those experiences, without the possibility of having any new ones. I guess it’s a little like drinking: you want to be responsible most of the time - you know, a beer with dinner, or a single malt after work - but if the Giants are in the Super Bowl, you ain’t counting the number of beers you’ve had by halftime.
The problem with iPods is that you get that “immersive” experience with everything, which risks making that special moment completely commonplace - and if you’re in a loud place, you need to crank up the volume just to hear what’s playing. I don’t know what the answer there is; I hate the idea of putting a limiter on these things so they can’t go above a certain decibel level. For me, I’ve just stopped listening to my iPod on the train - it’s too noisy and the music has to be too loud just to compete, reducing it to more noise. Plus having grown up in NY in the 70s, I still instinctively travel the subways on High Alert Mode, and being “under pod” makes me feel unaware and unprotected.

exploding plastic candle · 05.09.2009, 01:37 AM

hell, I sold my eardrums back in '88 for a pack of cigarettes and a copy of sister

hevusa · 05.09.2009, 02:03 AM

It's cause you are too cool to wear closed ear headphones.

pbradley · 05.09.2009, 03:12 AM

I guess the pertinent question to discuss after this blog post is, what is your preferred situation for listening to loud music?

Despite having the house to myself most of the time and a very decent pair of headphones, driving alone in the car is when I'm most likely to up the jams. Apart from the intimate enclosure of the car, we also sprang for the stereo option. I really don't mind other drivers seeing me sing to myself and stuff.

summer · 05.09.2009, 04:18 AM

It depends on the situation.. music should be enjoyable no matter how you listen to. You don't "need" speakers, although they are nice. Good headphone music is sometimes the best music. Although earphones are absolute hell, quickest way to get hearing problems.

negative8ball · 05.09.2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by summer

Although earphones are absolute hell, quickest way to get hearing problems.

Do you mean all earphones, or earbuds? Because I have heard earbuds require extra caution - but realistically - ALL headphones require care in use... not taking the piss, just curious which you were implying LOL!

I try to keep the volume down at work, and HAVE to at home (apartment) - but, yeah, the car? Things get messy...

SYRFox · 05.09.2009, 07:33 AM

I have earbuds and I listen to music carefully - never gets on more than 50/60% of the total volume on my iPod. I think that's okay.
I think the most dangerous thing for my hear is actually the number of live shows I attend to (I've been to seven gigs in between March 1st and April 30th), and I never wear ear protections, I don't like those...

05.09.2009, 12:27 AM	#1
Moshe Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,862	Soundcheck Blog AM I SHOUTING? By John Schaefer May 8, 2009 I’LL BE WITH YOU IN JUST A SECOND! I JUST WANNA HEAR THE END OF THIS SONG! ‘CAUSE I REALLY LIKE IT, YOU KNOW?! OK - WAIT. THERE, I’LL TAKE THE EARBUDS OUT NOW! OKAY, SO… oh. Okay, so I guess maybe I was shouting a little. It’s just that I like to listen to music loud. Always have. There’s something about letting the sound hit you, and wash over you, that turns the act of listening to music into something you feel, physically. Just last month, I was doing one of our annual New Sounds Live events at Merkin Hall, with Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ranaldo and the Bang On A Can All-Stars. Lee’s piece, for electric guitar and amplified ensemble, was LOUD. Having interviewed Lee on stage and introduced the piece, I made my way back to the recording studio, which is beneath the back of the hall. In the hallway leading back to the studio, every piece of metal ductwork in the ceiling was vibrating wildly, and perhaps dangerously, because of the squall being created by Lee’s guitar onstage. I thought about ducking into the studio, but this was too cool - I stood there for a few minutes, listening to the guitar music rushing down the hallway from the stage and also hearing this weird, buzzing, refracted version of the sound in the building itself. It was a great, immersive way to experience a piece of music. I know that I have to be careful with loud music, but in those occasional moments when music reaches for something special, I just can’t help myself. Sitting close enough to the stage to feel the breeze coming from the NY Philharmonic when they got to the ecstatic finale of Schoenberg’s Gurrelieder was an experience I will remember long after I’ve lost whatever hearing I’m going to lose. And that’s the problem with all the warnings we give people about turning down their iPods and stuff - you’re asking people to act logically when something is moving them on a deeper level. Whether it’s Schoenberg or The Who, sometimes the right thing for the music is to just turn it up. I know, I know - if I want to have more experiences like the Schoenberg or the Ranaldo, I have to protect my hearing. Otherwise, all I’ll have are memories of those experiences, without the possibility of having any new ones. I guess it’s a little like drinking: you want to be responsible most of the time - you know, a beer with dinner, or a single malt after work - but if the Giants are in the Super Bowl, you ain’t counting the number of beers you’ve had by halftime. The problem with iPods is that you get that “immersive” experience with everything, which risks making that special moment completely commonplace - and if you’re in a loud place, you need to crank up the volume just to hear what’s playing. I don’t know what the answer there is; I hate the idea of putting a limiter on these things so they can’t go above a certain decibel level. For me, I’ve just stopped listening to my iPod on the train - it’s too noisy and the music has to be too loud just to compete, reducing it to more noise. Plus having grown up in NY in the 70s, I still instinctively travel the subways on High Alert Mode, and being “under pod” makes me feel unaware and unprotected.
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05.09.2009, 01:37 AM	#2
exploding plastic candle children of satan Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 288	hell, I sold my eardrums back in '88 for a pack of cigarettes and a copy of sister
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05.09.2009, 02:03 AM	#3
hevusa expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: rain hell Posts: 1,535	It's cause you are too cool to wear closed ear headphones.
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05.09.2009, 03:12 AM	#4
pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I guess the pertinent question to discuss after this blog post is, what is your preferred situation for listening to loud music? Despite having the house to myself most of the time and a very decent pair of headphones, driving alone in the car is when I'm most likely to up the jams. Apart from the intimate enclosure of the car, we also sprang for the stereo option. I really don't mind other drivers seeing me sing to myself and stuff.
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05.09.2009, 04:18 AM	#5
summer stalker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540	It depends on the situation.. music should be enjoyable no matter how you listen to. You don't "need" speakers, although they are nice. Good headphone music is sometimes the best music. Although earphones are absolute hell, quickest way to get hearing problems. __________________
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05.09.2009, 07:33 AM	#7
SYRFox invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 7,492	I have earbuds and I listen to music carefully - never gets on more than 50/60% of the total volume on my iPod. I think that's okay. I think the most dangerous thing for my hear is actually the number of live shows I attend to (I've been to seven gigs in between March 1st and April 30th), and I never wear ear protections, I don't like those...
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