[Kloriel]

the cutlass slices but with only one edge, the gun blasts but depends on ammo, humanity thrives but eats the earth. WHAT BRAIN DO YOU MAGGOT YOURSELF INTO!

[floatingslowly]

my battlecruiser is shielded with 2x8d plasma repulsers.

1900009490 jiggavolts of no fuck you.

say it loud.

[pbradley]

Eliminative materialism.

Your argument is invalid.

[Kloriel]

mine?

[pbradley]

Responding to the poll.

[floatingslowly]

if you modulate yr frequency, the borg can not react quick enough, kloriel.

set pharaohs to fantasy.

[automatic bzooty]

new waves of minty balm on yr embalmed moses motherfucker

[Kloriel]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Responding to the poll.

see, that's the problem with academia. with all due respect pb, as you've suggested great books to me in the past... however - there's an overbearing pressure in thought that basically seems to lift up pristine reason. reason is good. but not at the expense of subjectivity. modern scholars are basically operating on half-mind. allow for batshit insanity and oh the places we'd go.

[floatingslowly]

I'm on the fuckinnnnnng moooooooon (bunch of klingon babble about cocks).

[Kloriel]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

I'm on the fuckinnnnnng moooooooon (bunch of klingon babble about cocks).

hey FUCK YOU IN YOUR TAINT

[floatingslowly]

what part of shielded DOnT you UNDERstand motherfuckerrrrrr
return fire.
ramming speed.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Kloriel

see, that's the problem with academia. with all due respect pb, as you've suggested great books to me in the past... however - there's an overbearing pressure in thought that basically seems to lift up pristine reason. reason is good. but not at the expense of subjectivity. modern scholars are basically operating on half-mind. allow for batshit insanity and oh the places we'd go.

I don't recognize the subjectivity/objectivity dichotomy. I consider it a error originating from the mind/body problem.

Are you all that familiar with modern academia? Scientism is more popular than you think.

[Kloriel]

I don't know what the mind/body problem is still. I'm not as familiar with modern academia as you. I wish I was. Also not sure what you mean by scientism - if you mean scientific method, then i'm totally cool with that. it's still going to be a set of opposites though. with the method, you have linear thought but then you need to, it appears, eventually cross over with a subjective "leap" to make a conclusion.

but that is very simplified. i'm open to the idea that that particular system recurs immeasurably... but i think trying to freeze the process, to look at it up close in stasis, is kinda important.

what's the mind body problem? i am incredibly skeptical that there's anything there that could reconcile a dualism.

[pbradley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-body_dichotomy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

[Kloriel]

you can still have a post cartesian dualism though. forget about soul. dualism seems to be present in scientism too, no?

[Kloriel]

decartes failed, but that is where i think the proof of dualism is. he went strictly into a cold mathematical reason... or warm, whatever you prefer. he thought therefore he was. and critics said, i think, that he couldn't prove the end of the statement. he could think, therefore... finis.

but does it really matter? he was still alive. what is the counter argument for a basic dualism? life/death. number lines vs. infinity. order/chaos etc etc.

objective/subjective

[pbradley]

I think dualism exists in scientism in the same sense that dualism exists in solipsism, one denies objectivity and the other denies subjectivity.

And to the first question, yes. For instance, I consider the dualism between determinism and free will much more profound.

[Kloriel]

why deny one or the other. can't the objective and subjective be ... like a perpetual back and forth? ergh, not worded well. the plato thing: thesis & antithesis. that's dualism. then synthesis. but that is still in the field of order. so the synthesis, a new thesis, then antithesis .. existensial? a clear void? and thus bam! another pair of opposites.

[Kloriel]

free will & determinism, those seem like 'topics' beyond the bottom line

[pbradley]

That's Hegel.

I prefer the compatible notion of intersubjectivity as found in phenomenology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity